Kentucky Area Paranormal Society

[Emania_Brian]

Hey Kats,

Okay, so now Im the new sherriff in town... well, maybe not that... but I have been elected the mod of this part of the boards... and I wanted to see what we are all made of here...

Soooo, here is the deal... I am curious... is there anyone here that can step out of the box enough to brainstorm with me, a representative of Emania Paranormal as well as Sister Group of K.A.P.S., and figure out a new, better and more unique and solid way to capture evidence of a spirit or any other type of ghostly activity.

Here are the questions... think about them... and then answer them the best you can.

- What do you think ghosts are?
- What do we need to invent that will help us determine and or capture a ghost on film?
- Whad do we need to invent that will help us communicate with a ghost directly?

These sound like impossible questions, with impossible answers. But, hypothosize with me if you can.

What do we think ghosts are? What have we learned? What evidence have we collected that MAY be proof? What do we need to do to expand upon the evidence we have so far?

Okay... go!

- Brian
Emania Paranormal

[Phantom]

Wow!! You let the kids have a key to the house, and this is what you get....LOL. GREAT idea, Brian. I appreciate the post and the idea. This can be REALLY good to get the ol' brain juices flowing. I will begin, if I might, in giving some answers to the questions. One thing I would like to stress, and I think I'm getting the gist of what Brian wants here, that it's "outside the box"; namely, no theory or statement should be dismissed merely because it sounds "out there". Wasn't long ago that the idea of a lightbulb was considered crazy...LOL. So, having said that...on to the theories:

1. I think ghosts are a penetration of one plane into another. That might account for residuals being the cosmic "tape players" that we notice. It would also account for the ability to see entities in the garb of their era.

2. Since I think that capturing an entity on media is a result of filming or recording the energy of that moment when the plane is broken or breached, perhaps if there was some instrument that could be better tuned to that form of energy, we'd be able to see more than just the chance occurrences we encounter during investigations.

3. EVP's are most probably an entities manipulation of certain frequencies that are not noticed until playback of our recordings. Obviously, these are not typically heard by the human ear. If we could "reverse" that effect by having our voices replicated on that same frequency, maybe they could hear us.

[LibertyChic]

Questions aside....when the heck did he get 105 posts??

[Phantom]

Questions aside....when the heck did he get 105 posts??

Uh, oh.....Brian is in trouble, Brian is in trouble...LOL. Does cloning provide a valid excuse?

[Emania_Brian]

ha ha ha... *bat bat bat lashes*

Actually... Phantom... what you said in your first post is DEAD on... no pun intended... lets start thinking ahead of the game for a bit... and see if we can't come up with a better way to do what we are already doing now.

I love this sort've thing... its how we advance, pass go, and collect $200.

- Brian
Emania Paranormal

[GrimReaper]

3. EVP's are most probably an entities manipulation of certain frequencies that are not noticed until playback of our recordings. Obviously, these are not typically heard by the human ear. If we could "reverse" that effect by having our voices replicated on that same frequency, maybe they could hear us.

I think that we should study the EVP's that are out there and see what frequency ranges they are. If we can somehow record our voice at that frequency and play it back maybe they can hear us better and thus get more EVP's. I have noticed that on the EVP's we have collected that they are on the low end of the frequency scale. We have found some software that shows the frequency of an audio file, but its hard to pin point a specifc word, you have to watch the screen carefully to watch the rise and fall of the graph.

[JeremyW]

OH! You guys have no idea how much I love discussing theory... So many people out there just end up running in circles because they just want evidence. Well, that does you know good if you can't use that information to formulate some kind of idea from. So this is perfect... love this stuff, ok...

#1. What do you think ghosts are?

For this question you really have start to define your terms. For this we can say that there is a difference in what we're calling a 'ghost' and someone who has passed, or 'the passed on'. Not saying that people that are passed cannot return or communicate to some extent in the realm of the living, but generally speaking, the passed on are not trapped, stuck, tied down to any person place or thing for any reason. The passed on have a certain level of etheral freedom which may differ from being to being and we will probably never understand that while we're still living. Ghosts, are the opposite of the passed on. They generally are tied down to a person, place or thing for one reason or another and do lack that level of etheral freedom, whether by choice or not, and tend to often be distraught at their existence or simply not aware. Thats where I differ than most people when they catergorize hauntings, I don't like to do that. A general idea of the intelligent versus residual hauntings I think are flawed. I think that the residual aspects of certain hauntings are just a reflection of the ghost's lack of awareness of their existence. Imagine being in a daze or under the influence of something. Not totally aware of what or why but you always still manage to do what you normally do to a certain extent. Another idea I disagree with is one that stems from pop culture and our inability to understand. Most people think that ghosts are just like Patrick Swazye, watching everything go by unable to affect it only by doing little things here and there. I tend to think that ghosts are only able to sense in similar ways that we sense them. Thats why its so difficult to communicate them. To what extent this works, I'm not really sure. But I think there are these dimensional lapses that occur, caused by them perhaps or by other reasons, that allows us to detect them with our physical senses, and record them on certain media. Why they haven't become part of the 'passed on' is a discussion that has always been more popular and we all have heard most of the theories. I haven't formulated one my self that works better than the other ones I've heard. I don't really think its up to me to help an entity 'pass on'... personally I think its somewhat irresponsible (how to we help someone we can barely communicate with go to a place we know absolutely nothing about?).

#2. What do we need to invent that will help us determine and or capture a ghost on film?

I think there is alot to be said in the area of the near infra-red spectrum (different than thermal, behaves just like red, green, blue, and UV) that alot of people, like Patrick Burns, are doing work in at the moment. Both video and digital still cameras are sensitive to NIR at different levels (hold a TV remote up to one and look through the viewfinder while you're pushing buttons). Ever wonder why we get things on video and photos that we couldn't see with the naked eye at the time? Thats a possible reason. Also, another question that we still need to answer before we can answer this one; do apparitions and manifestations radiate, reflect, or refract light? Depending on how they deal with light or lack of will help us determine better ways to document the activity when they do. They may do only one, all three, or different ways for different reasons.

#3. What do we need to invent that will help us communicate with a ghost directly?

Technically speaking, I'm not sure... There are problems with all the devices that currently exist. The main one is the human subconscious effect on the outcome. The best way to eliminate that is seperate the human element from the device as much as possible. Usually, in turn this eliminates alot of the possible positive results. Does this mean the ones before were subconscious shout outs from th back of our minds or that the human piece of the puzzle makes these things work? You're guess is as good as mine. Also our ability to interpret received messages through different devices like EVP from audio recorders, the output from devices like a Frank's Box, and most of the other forms of instrumental transcommunication are subject to what alot of people call 'matrixing', a term I never heard before I watched Ghost Hunters... so I like to use the clinical term, "apophenia" - which is is the experience of seeing patterns or connections in random or meaningless data, according to wikipedia. Its just natural for people to see human faces in randomness and hear voices in randomness simply because of the social creatures we are... our survival has depended on that since the beginning. Thats something thats almost completely impossible to eliminate, so its one we'll have to deal with. AND I'm still just talking out receiving messages... not even transmitting. If you're really into trying to communicate, real time two way... a psychic or sensitive is still the best method we have and believe me I know as much as everyone else that this is still very flawed. So as far as inventing a device, I think we need to nail down the cause of EVP as solid as we can before we really move on into that. EVP is still our most reliable, most definitive form of gathering information that we have and THAT, is going to be the key for developing communcation. We just aren't quite there yet.

MAN that was alot... but I really get into these sort of discussions. These are the kinds of things that I rack my brain on when I'm driving or in the shower so I love any chance I get to actually put them down and have people counterpoint.

[Emania_Brian]

Jeremy... Dag, you are good...

This is what I thrive for... is finding a better way to evaluate "said" evidence... and figure out exactly what we are dealing with and if there is any way to communicate with it.

I often find myself drifting over the many different theories and hypothosis that exist from the multiverse theory to that of the folded book concept... what science is beginning to understand is that SOMETHING is happening and has been for thousands of years.

We are very fortunate to have a member of our team actually designing and making tools for us to test... he just sent us one the other day, which I am not at liberty to disclose... but we are taking it to the Waverly with us... it is MIND BLOWING!

We are getting closer to cracking the code, and I really love what you posted here. I just hope that we can find more people willing to look at what it is that we are collecting and make sure that we are analyzing it properly.

There are just too many people out there buying gadgets and they honestly have NO clue what they are looking at or what it really does. LOL!

I would love to have you on our show sometime if you are willing to speak candidly.

Thanks again,

- Brian
Emania Paranormal

[JeremyW]

I'm really excited to see what you guys have in store, Brian. If there's anything I can ever do to help feel free to give me a shout, I'll do what I can!

One thing I didn't really touch on in that mess was the area of quantum mechanics. Now, I'm no physicist... too much math for me to actually deal with the formulas there. But there is just SO MANY possibilities in there that could applicable to the paranormal.

Somewhere in paranormal field lie the ultimate answers to all of humanity's disciplines from material science, to psychology, to spirituality... and the only way to get those answers (if its possible) is through ALOT of hard work... and as much luck as one can possibly get.

[cormac]

this is a great thread. Ive no idea how to answer the questions yet, but its a ncie thread. Someday I shall be back .... though off the top of my head we'd also need to analyse how much paranormal activity is really the work of the mind a nature in ways we currently dont understand.

[Phantom]

Good point. Sounds like a great discussion subject.

[WizardWayne]

No easy questions, these, but here’s my take.

The human brain is essentially one big, complex, chemically-powered electrical generator. But it generates an extremely complex electric signal. EEG’s read this directly and fMRI’s reveal some of the underlying chemistry that generates the complex fields.

I believe that these are not just any fields. It’s a closed complex system. I liken it to a soliton. According to Wikipedia, “a soliton is a self-reinforcing solitary wave (a wave packet or pulse) that maintains its shape while it travels at constant speed.â€Â

[Phantom]

Welcome Wizard Wayne!! And, thank you for your post. Deep thoughts, indeed!!

[JeremyW]

Wow, I'm glad this thread got bumped. Well, more like thwacked, which is even better.

Thats the first i've heard of a solitron... but I'm definitely going to do some more research on that, sounds like a very plausible concept.

[Phantom]

I haven't heard of one, either, but now I'll have to do some research into the area.