Kentucky Area Paranormal Society

[Aaron_CPG]

honestly? whats the point of this show?

I mean yea people study this stuff but it is one of those things that if someone calls you to say they saw a flash of light in the sky for 30 seconds, how are you going to prove it one way or another? You can do as much reasearch as you want but when it comes down to it, you end up at the end of the night staring into a big deep dark sky for 8 hours to see................ a meteor shower.

I just don't see the point of the show and now I think SCI-FI has seen the success of Ghost Hunters and wants a few hundred spin offs in return. Scariest places on earth? more like Most Haunted 2. Spin Offs' like these usually end up killing the rest of them. Pilgrim entertainment (same people who produce dirty jobs, american chopper, deadliest catch, and a few others) is going to spend their money on these spin offs like wild fire and in the end when it flops, they won't have enough left over to keep the series we all like, GH, in production.

I work in media, the people who know me here know what I do and have done in it and I've seen this before many times over. It's always the same formula, get a hit show.. spin it off into 3 or 4 other series and go belly up and start from scratch. Then there are the wannabes like paranormal state (I can not believe they actually brought the warrens in on an investigation) who also ruin it for the hit show. It makes it look like the rest of the shows are as "scripted" as they are by association.

Ghost Hunters to me is the first real series about the paranormal that I have given a damn about and has spawned multitudes of followers. I hope it doesn't get ruined by these other shows.

[Badhornet]

True I see your points. It is hard to investigate mostly purely on just eyewitness testimony. On the same note though, I thought it was well done(even though its format is like GH), and actually holds my attention more than GHI does. I'm not into shows like Paranormal State(finally had enough and quit watching) or Most Haunted. So whether you view this show as scientific in nature or just for entertainment, I actually hope it does well.

[Emania_Brian]

We are working on a Leprechan Hunters series... well, actually its just our excuse to get to hang with the Leinster Kats and knock a few beers back!

- Brian
Emania Paranormal

[Phantom]

Speaking of UFO's, be on the lookout for our upcoming show with Stanton Friedman. He's the ORIGINAL investigator for the Roswell incident!!

[Badhornet]

Excuse my french, but your shi!!n me. I love Stanton. I am so looking forward to that show. I remember going to a lecture he held in Arizona about 12 years ago. Fascinating guy!

[DPS_Stew]

honestly? whats the point of this show?

I mean yea people study this stuff but it is one of those things that if someone calls you to say they saw a flash of light in the sky for 30 seconds, how are you going to prove it one way or another? You can do as much reasearch as you want but when it comes down to it, you end up at the end of the night staring into a big deep dark sky for 8 hours to see................ a meteor shower.

I just don't see the point of the show and now I think SCI-FI has seen the success of Ghost Hunters and wants a few hundred spin offs in return. Scariest places on earth? more like Most Haunted 2. Spin Offs' like these usually end up killing the rest of them. Pilgrim entertainment (same people who produce dirty jobs, american chopper, deadliest catch, and a few others) is going to spend their money on these spin offs like wild fire and in the end when it flops, they won't have enough left over to keep the series we all like, GH, in production.

I work in media, the people who know me here know what I do and have done in it and I've seen this before many times over. It's always the same formula, get a hit show.. spin it off into 3 or 4 other series and go belly up and start from scratch. Then there are the wannabes like paranormal state (I can not believe they actually brought the warrens in on an investigation) who also ruin it for the hit show. It makes it look like the rest of the shows are as "scripted" as they are by association.

Ghost Hunters to me is the first real series about the paranormal that I have given a damn about and has spawned multitudes of followers. I hope it doesn't get ruined by these other shows.

I think that there is as much point to this show as there is to Ghost Hunters. In fact, most people will give the same arguments you gave for a show about hunting ghosts. "just staring into dark rooms looking for shadows to move". Everything isnt for everybody. Personally, I love the idea, and DVR'd it because I am fascinated with ALL aspects of the paranormal, not just ghosts. I think there is a confusion as to groups using the term paranormal. It's an umbrella term under which we attempt to classify anything that does not fall within our scope of scientific understanding. Not just "ghost hunting". This also includes UFO activity cryptozoology, pk, etc... There have been ALOT of documented cases of UFO activity. In fact lately you are seeing more people coming forward with UFO stories, such as Governor Fife Symington about the Phoenix lights phenomenon from the late 90s. There have been some wild things happening out there, that people are simply not aware of. I will reserve judgment on the show until I actually see it, but my initial reaction is "great, let's get more people talking about this".

As for Ghost Hunters being ruined by other shows, I don't see how. As long as they continue to do what they are doing, I'm sure that people will still tune in. But if/when Ghost Hunters ends, it won't be the end of the world. For those of us who have been interested in the Paranormal since watching shows like In Search Of or even Unsolved Mysteries! TV is just a small piece of the puzzle. The reputation and legitimacy of the field is on the shoulders of the groups that are out there doing the fieldwork. TV, is just TV. Entertainment. It's what we do that matters.

[Aaron_CPG]

It happens all the time, A hit show comes out, spin offs happen and flood the airways. People begin to lose interest and then the whole concept goes out the window.

No, losing ghost hunters is not the end of the world. It is however a loss to the community. It has brought wide spread attention to what we do and that is the best part about the show other than the fact that it's the most real show about this on tv right now. With the spinoffs getting wide spread critisism, that is usually the icing on the cake to remove it all from the air within the next season or two.

yes, many people can say the same thing about ghost hunting, however staring into a small room for hours on end will probably produce more evidence than staring into a big blank sky for the same amount of time. it's the whole aspect ratio, small to big. Seeing shadows and lights in a place that there are not supposed to be shadows or lights is one thing, rather than a sky full of lights and trying to decifer that this one light is out of the ordinary. ect... ect...

I'm not knocking the field or anything, it just seems that it's a moot point to have a tv crew following people looking for UFO's as a series. In ghost hunting you at least have out of 10 investigations probably 1 good one with solid evidence that you can present to the world saying hey look at that cord moving on it's own, or that wine glass breaking with no one around. my question, what is the climax of ufo hunters? when they video a UFO hovering above them then i'll change my tune about the show, however that is highly unlikely. No climax = no fun. Plus the fact that there are WAY too many variables to consider, Meteors, Falling debris from space, aircraft and so on.

In ghost hunting at least there is a climax at some juncture, I'm not seeing any sort of climatic event with UFO hunters to build on. It's all about ratings in the TV world.

I'll give this example, A radio station that i used to work for here in Chicago built a great dance radio station in early 1999. This company broke the ice here in Chicago (as did ghost hunters for SCI-FI). There was nothing else like it on the air. Well this station got greedy and bought 4 more frequencies and turned them into latino programming thinking they could do the same thing that they did with this dance station. Well the dance station ended up being the cash cow of the corporation and after some time had to finally sell all of it's assets including this hot dance station that everyone loved out here. Now there isn't anything like it around anymore because people get the misconception that the dance station was the one that went under when really it was the other 4 that brought it down. No one knew that the other 4 stations were even related to this one station.
Will the same thing happen with GH? I hope not but you can't support a pyramid upside down.

Sorry long post. Stew, not attacking your post just relaying my thoughts.

[DPS_Stew]

It happens all the time, A hit show comes out, spin offs happen and flood the airways. People begin to lose interest and then the whole concept goes out the window.

No, losing ghost hunters is not the end of the world. It is however a loss to the community. It has brought wide spread attention to what we do and that is the best part about the show other than the fact that it's the most real show about this on tv right now. With the spinoffs getting wide spread critisism, that is usually the icing on the cake to remove it all from the air within the next season or two.

yes, many people can say the same thing about ghost hunting, however staring into a small room for hours on end will probably produce more evidence than staring into a big blank sky for the same amount of time. it's the whole aspect ratio, small to big. Seeing shadows and lights in a place that there are not supposed to be shadows or lights is one thing, rather than a sky full of lights and trying to decifer that this one light is out of the ordinary. ect... ect...

I'm not knocking the field or anything, it just seems that it's a moot point to have a tv crew following people looking for UFO's as a series. In ghost hunting you at least have out of 10 investigations probably 1 good one with solid evidence that you can present to the world saying hey look at that cord moving on it's own, or that wine glass breaking with no one around. my question, what is the climax of ufo hunters? when they video a UFO hovering above them then i'll change my tune about the show, however that is highly unlikely. No climax = no fun. Plus the fact that there are WAY too many variables to consider, Meteors, Falling debris from space, aircraft and so on.

In ghost hunting at least there is a climax at some juncture, I'm not seeing any sort of climatic event with UFO hunters to build on. It's all about ratings in the TV world.

I'll give this example, A radio station that i used to work for here in Chicago built a great dance radio station in early 1999. This company broke the ice here in Chicago (as did ghost hunters for SCI-FI). There was nothing else like it on the air. Well this station got greedy and bought 4 more frequencies and turned them into latino programming thinking they could do the same thing that they did with this dance station. Well the dance station ended up being the cash cow of the corporation and after some time had to finally sell all of it's assets including this hot dance station that everyone loved out here. Now there isn't anything like it around anymore because people get the misconception that the dance station was the one that went under when really it was the other 4 that brought it down. No one knew that the other 4 stations were even related to this one station.
Will the same thing happen with GH? I hope not but you can't support a pyramid upside down.

Sorry long post. Stew, not attacking your post just relaying my thoughts.

No, I understand you are not attacking. I am not attacking your post either, I just want to convey my opinion.

I do want to respond to a couple of things you stated. You talk about too many variables with UFO investigation. I would say many would argue the same thing with ghost hunting. I agree that there is a world of difference between the two, but skeptics will claim the same things for either. Dust - falling debris, etc... Bugs, interference, camera flaws, faulty equipment. It's all tricks of the mind.

I'm not sure what you mean by in the world of ghost hunting there is at least a climax. I would say that most investigations yield little to no results. I would also say the number 1 out of 10 is probably being generous. Sure in TV ghost hunting you get a climax, but again, that is television, editing, and entertainment. As to the loss of Ghost Hunters being a loss to the community, I may have to disagree. I think it is a dual-edged sword. It has been great to get the field more spotlight, but it has also spawned a bunch of groups who think they can do investigations without research and investigation. They have an attitude that it is all easily categorized based on what they saw on a TV show. Ghost Hunters/TAPS does their thing, which is great, I have a ton of respect for them, but I imagine they would be the first to caution anyone from taking what they do as gospel.

I do understand what you are saying about how a genre can become diluted, and people lose interest. That is inevitable. But I have to disagree that UFO hunting is not a legitimate subject.

[Kevin_DPS]

Well the idea behind a ufo hunting show is similar to a ghost hunting show, all of the paranormal/ghost experiences i have had left me with little or no evidence to back up my claim, same goes for when i was abducted by aliens, they took me, probed me, implanted some chips in different places of my body that now medical doctors can't find, and sent me back home without any recollection of it happening. I'm not crazy, i'm the most normal person i know. The fact of the matter is that because the paranormal experiences were more tangible than the ufo ones, i tend to beleive paranormal claims more than ufo. I think the heart of the matter is religions effect on the field, religious people beleive in the spirit and what happens to it after life, but you will rarely find a religious person that doesn't think UFO's are an abomination. If someone could find hard proof of ghosts existing, the religious field would embrace the evidence, if you found proof of a UFO (assuming we're talking about extra terrestrial ones) the churches around the world would shoot the evidence down very quickly. UFO hunting i think is too difficult a task to be taken seriously, there is a ton of area for them to have to investigate, the only real evidence they have is "eye witness" reports, atleast with ghosts they are confined to a room or home or building so you have a general idea of where to look. Also the fact that alien technologies could be involved like cloaking devices, and holodecks, atleast a ghost existed in the same plane we do, and lived by the same natural laws, to my knowledge ghosts dont have cloaking devices, i may be wrong, if we set phasers to stun we might be able to disrupt them.
Oh i was totally being sarcastic about being abducted.

[DPS_Stew]

The fact of the matter is that because the paranormal experiences were more tangible than the ufo ones, i tend to beleive paranormal claims more than ufo. I think the heart of the matter is religions effect on the field, religious people beleive in the spirit and what happens to it after life, but you will rarely find a religious person that doesn't think UFO's are an abomination. If someone could find hard proof of ghosts existing, the religious field would embrace the evidence, if you found proof of a UFO (assuming we're talking about extra terrestrial ones) the churches around the world would shoot the evidence down very quickly. UFO hunting i think is too difficult a task to be taken seriously, there is a ton of area for them to have to investigate, the only real evidence they have is "eye witness" reports, atleast with ghosts they are confined to a room or home or building so you have a general idea of where to look.

Kevin, again I think the term "paranormal" is being confused. UFO sightings and experiences are considered paranormal. I think we need to be clear on that. However, Ghost experiences and UFO experiences are different ballgames. I'm not sure ghost experiences are necessarily more tangible. You have UFO sightings and experiences that are shared by hundreds if not thousands of people, while ghost sightings are usually, but not always isolated to one or two people. I think it's easier to corroborate stories from larger groups than smaller groups. My personal opinion is that there is something out there, I dont know what though (i am referring to both ghost and ufo). I think it is a generalization to say that all the churches would immediately shoot down the ufo evidence quickly. Sure, the prospect of life outside of our planet is difficult to fit into some religions, but I don't think it's true for all. Alot of churches would consider any supposed haunting to be demonic and ostracize the haunted. You are going to get negative backlash no matter what.

There are reports of certain areas that experience high amount of supposed UFO activity some areas in texas, nevada, etc.. so it would stand that perhaps watching in those locations, one would statistically have a better chance of seeing whatever phenomenon that others have experienced in that area previously, just as in a haunting situation. I agree that you are dealing with a larger area to canvas than with a ghost investigation, but I think it is absolutely worthwhile and interesting.

[Kevin_DPS]

I guess i dont really know much about being a 'ufo hunter' I think the "climax" aaron was referring to was the end of the investigation, i would have worded it differently, but on a ghost hunt you set-up the cameras and let'em roll, then at the end of the night/morning, you take'em down and let the residents get back to business, i dont see the same thing for ufo hunting, i think you would have to leave the cameras running a much longer period of time. In ghost hunting you clearly state a question (no whispering) and hopefully get some sort of a response, how do you go about asking a UFO, which might be hovering over a town a hundred miles away(if at all) to make its presence known. The field of ghost hunting is a lot more evolved than ufo hunting, i think, and i think the reason for that is that we know how to go about getting a human to makes its presence known.
My dad told me once that during a press meeting with the first president bush, somebody asked him about the existence of aliens and he responded "You have no idea!"

[DPS_Stew]

I guess i dont really know much about being a 'ufo hunter' I think the "climax" aaron was referring to was the end of the investigation, i would have worded it differently, but on a ghost hunt you set-up the cameras and let'em roll, then at the end of the night/morning, you take'em down and let the residents get back to business, i dont see the same thing for ufo hunting, i think you would have to leave the cameras running a much longer period of time. In ghost hunting you clearly state a question (no whispering) and hopefully get some sort of a response, how do you go about asking a UFO, which might be hovering over a town a hundred miles away(if at all) to make its presence known. The field of ghost hunting is a lot more evolved than ufo hunting, i think, and i think the reason for that is that we know how to go about getting a human to makes its presence known.
My dad told me once that during a press meeting with the first president bush, somebody asked him about the existence of aliens and he responded "You have no idea!"

That's a good point. Not so much a climax as a set beginning and end. Ghost hunting is absolutely more interactive, and the skill of an investigator can go a long way. I don't necessarily think that it's wise to compare them as I see it as more of an apples and oranges type of thing. The equipment to be used as well as scientific background required are very different as well. Either way, both have their respected places in the paranormal field of study. As long as there are unanswered questions regarding some facet of the world around us, there should be teams of people diligently dedicated to finding some sort of solution. Well, except Bigfoot of course. We all know THAT thing isnt real

[Phantom]

Excuse my french, but your shi!!n me. I love Stanton. I am so looking forward to that show. I remember going to a lecture he held in Arizona about 12 years ago. Fascinating guy!

He'll be a guest on a live show on March 2nd.

[Aaron_CPG]

I guess i dont really know much about being a 'ufo hunter' I think the "climax" aaron was referring to was the end of the investigation, i would have worded it differently, but on a ghost hunt you set-up the cameras and let'em roll, then at the end of the night/morning, you take'em down and let the residents get back to business, i dont see the same thing for ufo hunting, i think you would have to leave the cameras running a much longer period of time. In ghost hunting you clearly state a question (no whispering) and hopefully get some sort of a response, how do you go about asking a UFO, which might be hovering over a town a hundred miles away(if at all) to make its presence known. The field of ghost hunting is a lot more evolved than ufo hunting, i think, and i think the reason for that is that we know how to go about getting a human to makes its presence known.
My dad told me once that during a press meeting with the first president bush, somebody asked him about the existence of aliens and he responded "You have no idea!"

That's a good point. Not so much a climax as a set beginning and end. Ghost hunting is absolutely more interactive, and the skill of an investigator can go a long way. I don't necessarily think that it's wise to compare them as I see it as more of an apples and oranges type of thing. The equipment to be used as well as scientific background required are very different as well. Either way, both have their respected places in the paranormal field of study. As long as there are unanswered questions regarding some facet of the world around us, there should be teams of people diligently dedicated to finding some sort of solution. Well, except Bigfoot of course. We all know THAT thing isnt real

I'm not convinced one way or the other on Bigfoot lol.

I've seen some compelling evidence for both ways.

and yes kevin I think you may have caught on to what I was talking about, Now this is strictly speaking for TV purposes only, usually you have the beggining, the cliff hanger and the climatic end in any television show. I just don't see for TV purposes how UFO hunters is going to be entertaining for anyone out there. I may have worded this all wrong in the previous post but thats really what I was trying to say. Not that the field it'self isn't valid, just the point of the television show.

[Kevin_DPS]

Well it would be like that tv commercial when they are in like a blockbuster looking for a video game to rent, and the choices are "let's count sand" and something else that's really boring, i think they would have to name the show, "lets what the stars rotate through the sky, cuz thats all thats gonna happen" I think it would be extremely UN-entertaining.

Bigfoot happens to be a distant blood relative of mine. He took advantage of one of his slaves, who happened to be my great great great great grandmother. Anyone else make the mistake of seeing that new movie "strange wilderness?" if you haven't save yourself the time and money, it had a little to do with bigfoot.